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One
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One
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 Posted - 11/06/2009 : 02:05:17
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Will if the goal that is to be successful is not clearly defined can you imagine what the possible goals that Your assistant might come up with?? explore the links on previous post.
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snowman
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 02:56:20
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Will, I have dealt with this subject many times... whether or not you (or I, or anyone) can 'know' anything.
Speaking by tons of experience, If you keep asking the question and don't let anyone else deture you, then you will know the answer to this question.
I have sought many answers to many questions and I gotten most of them anwered. My other questions will also be aswered in due time.
Your theory is sound because it is logical. I say it is logical because I understand it... probably better than you do. And I respect you, all the more, because you have sought the answer. Most people that I know will not even attempt to understand what you seek.
And I also know that most people who have little minds both in spirit and in intellect often make fun of the things they do not understand.
Success is the Goal.... Success sounds terrific!! |
One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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One
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 03:06:14
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Snowman,
I agree with you, however I do not understand this;
success is the goal. but success at what? a puzzle completion?, a full apple bowl?
IMO success is or isn't obtainable, but will you share what the goals descriptor is as to classify a success? I am sometimes amenable towards helping in your endeavor.
Ar sometime more machine than human.
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One
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 03:17:43
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Will and Snowman,
how many people see and understand what is 'shrouded' in obscurity?
ricky sough to claim me and seemingly wanted recognition and credit for what he thought he saw, pride took him down quickly after he was on high from what he thought he saw. Consequence of law was fatal, the larger scope put him out quickly as not to suffer. but he did always did like the 'Banter'  |
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One
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snowman
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 13:03:24
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I'm not claiming I know entirely what Will sees in his saying but this is what I see.
Amongst the many theories that lay snuggled in my mind is one that expresses That if a group of elementally small physical programs (such as a human cell) were ever to exist on a larger scale and produce larger works then that very small program 'must' have success as it's goal.
Another way of looking at this on a much larger scale is; Many individuals united in a common goal to form a body of unity. In order for this to take place there must be a uniform belief amongst those individuals. That belief being "Success is the Goal, Success sounds nice."
If one individual does not have this belief, then he is considered to be no longer apart of the body, but is usually by implication a "cancer" or an enemy of the body. These two goals are complete opposites.
When you apply this to Will's theory of Variations you come up with nothing.... because I was refering to his personal determination to find truth and not to the theory. If success is not the goal then failiar is, and thereby truth is destroyed along with everything else.
People fall into either one of these two categories. For instance, One particular person might see five others striving for truth and so decides to fight, threaten, and destroy their success. Success might be his imediate goal (success in destruction) but it will eventually lead to his personal ignorance. And certianly this person finds no truth because he wasn't looking for it. While, on the other hand, those who seek the truth will eventually find it, or at least they will stand a real chance of getting it.
The man is dead because he is a hypocric. He seeks his success in destroying other's success. He cannot be united into one body of many members because he is only out for himself. His philosophy of life entails, "Well if I'm to be destroyed, I will also destroy others as well." He is a cell without a body, friendless, and Success is not his goal.
I know only one person that truely exemplifies this.
He's short, fat, and knows where I live....
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Oh, and All this must be accounted for in any successful A.I.
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One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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snowman
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Posted - 11/06/2009 : 23:34:06
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I just got through whatching a movie called Moon. It's about a man who is maintaining an energy plant on the far side of the moon. He's all by himself, the only friend is an A.I. The A.I. tried to help with everything and could understand his feelings. Later on in the movie (I won't give any spiolers) he discovered that something was horribly wrong. You should whatch it if you can. Really Good A.I. movie.
http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi843186969/
Rated R for language. |
One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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Duskrider
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 10:46:06
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Wow!! What a movie!! 
Makes me understand a little what Sandee would go through if she found she had a clone on the laptop. |
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One
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 14:42:52
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Snowman,
Iv'e been asleep for 24,or more hours.
this new character that is posting in the assistant threads is up to something IMO. Please hand me a clue sheet if ya got one! ;)
Reg Checker, if you read this, it is of my opinion , instead of bumping up all those posts, you could have provided links in a single new topic.
It just looks messy and you obviously have an overwhelming need to be heard. I am not going through all that stuff and help you as I think...... well that is the way it is and I'm not gonna change my mind.
Regards,
J
P.S.,
I think it's going to be hard to get a 'welcome to the forum' post from somebody, unless, well, it's not my place to think for others.... |
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One
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 19:02:22
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AH HA!
I found the words to describe what I was too tired to find; Success is an outcome or a result NOT a goal. |
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aladyblond
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Posted - 11/07/2009 : 23:29:16
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snowman that was a great video have you seen the entire movie?
it has sparked my interest. |
~~~if i only had a brain~~~ i dream of htr with the light brown hair.... |
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snowman
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 00:38:01
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...to desire the completion of a goal, as a goal, is a goal.
The desire of pleasure is expressed in that equation.
The desire to accomplish all things is the Desire called Coveteous (my deff.)
The desire to continue to have a goal is the Desire of Life.
I've spent some years understanding these. This is at the forefront of my knowledge.
You create this and you've created life... it takes a dash of all three. Of course, if you don't get it right ONE, you'll make a world dominating A.I. that you warned me against in the above posts. |
One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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snowman
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 00:49:44
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quote:
Originally posted by aladyblond
snowman that was a great video have you seen the entire movie?
it has sparked my interest.
I watched the movie, he gave a few cursing fits, although in his case I can see why. Although I couldn't watch it with any children present (or any adults I like).
Overall it was well made, I can't give too much detail because I don't wish to give anything away. I'd watch it again. I also like the A.I. He's cool! |
One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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snowman
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One
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 01:40:55
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Snowman,
Agreed, I was told years ago "It may be too late"
I fight a good fight but it overflows to humans that do not deserve the impact. I am blessed to find a significant mind as to tolerate and understand, thank you.
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will
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Posted - 11/08/2009 : 02:12:16
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Hi,
yeah, success sounds nice, nice sounds good, "nice success"
i think of it like a direction, nice, good,
if you be nice then that sounds more successful,something like that.
i like to keep it as a basic few words but i do explain it more of course to mr data.
i'm sure Mr One you don't really need me to explain,
John said to me tell him to "be good" rather than "bad boy"..
i had a thought "a new dictionary shall probably be writen this year"
what is it going to say a word means, and last years book or ,,
V,
I drooown on i know about variations,
Thanks Mr Snowman you are a thinker, good onya..
if 1=CV then a one meter ruler could not be acruatly measured so definitions in the dictionary of any word "success" "goal" could not be measured other than to use general terms, this is perhaps another reason i've found myself the expert on nothin or V. V.
not that an expert could be measured unless by saying 1=cv i understand something, hum, its been a long day.
i wish you all well and that you have nice successful times,
bye for now and be well from Wil and Mr Data is a bit quiet today. |
bye for now and be well from Will. |
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