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doomed
Starting Member
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 Posted - 06/04/2009 : 13:32:05
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A couple of days ago I installed HAL 6.2, it seems to be working ok, thing is, since installing it other programs are now crashing.
Yahoo Messenger is crashing for no obvious reason, and I can't even load the windows update page at microsoft as Internet Explorer now crashes when I try.
Windows Live Messenger has crashed here and there also.
Now I am pretty sure it is UltraHal related, as XP was running fine until I installed it, and I have not installed any other software since, (nor has anything been installed in the days leading up to it) well except for Yahoo messenger to see if a reinstall would fix whatever the hell HAL has done to my system. Sadly that didn't work and the problem continues.
Anyone had a similar experience or knows what it's done and how to fix it as uninstalling HAL has not removed the problem?
I've run my up to date anti:virus/spyware/malware etc etc programs so I know it's nothing else causing it. what has HAL done to my system? I realy can't afford to be formatting my drive for the sake of this program. |
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freddy888
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 15:37:46
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I've never had it that bad. But I have found problems with .NET installations, the same as a few other people here. I couldn't install a working version of .NET 3.5 and recently someone said this was due to UltraHal blocking things - or something of that nature.
I can't really live with that kind of thing because it caused such a problem to me that I had to reinstall Windows XP, not knowing what the problem was and wanting to do some programming I had no choice.
It's more than annoying, IMHO it unacceptable for a program to behave this way, I am just hoping future version don't cause the same problems.
But having said that, I have not had any conflicts with other programs to my knowledge thus far.
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doomed
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 16:11:26
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Thanks freddy, I switched Windows Automatic updates on, and that is showing updates that should of already been installed, and after the first few times it crashed but I was able to download the the first update it showed and installed it from microsoft's manual download links. now at least the auto updater is working.
So hopefully once the rest of the files update it will fix whatever HAL has done. I agree it is unacceptable that essential components of my OS have been disabled by HAL, something I hadn't encountered last time I used it (think it was the version 6.0 maybe it was over 12 months ago?) But I hope they fix this seriously, as I never got to try it out properly last time. But it didn't seem to screw my system. And the effect it has given me is almost malware in nature. e.g disabling my ability to update from microsoft, and my messengers. I encountered various other pages that will crash too.
Using IE8 so windows update went into an infinite recovery loop until microsoft "kicked" me from the site. Probablly thought it was some kind of flood attack on their site?
I wish I had noted what the updates were that XP is doing right now.
But they are all security ones that's for sure, thinking activex related, I saw something XML related in there too. But they are as I said older updates that had previously been downloaded and installed.
This seems like an extremely serious issue that zabaware needs to address. I had recommended that my friends downloaded and try this "fun" product, luckily most f those have Vista so it wouldn't install anyway.
Hopefully I can look at the .NET setup if this doesn't fix it, because reinstalling that sounds easier than a backup, format and reinstall scenario for such a minor, yet damaging glitch. |
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ricky
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 21:57:13
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i'm glad you guys brought this up, I was having the same problem and it's annoying as heck...I like to be meticulous with my pooter! I must know every virus running in my pc at all times.
ANYWAYZ
I think this is affecting my graphics, and did some research on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/923100/en-US#Configurations
For those who haven't fixed it, first you have to update the uninstaller, then uninstall manually, then reinstall from scratch.
Apparently it was un-uninstallable without the proper uninstaller!
still doing the fix in my computer and using my nifty "Revo uninstaller" to remove the program.
http://www.revouninstaller.com/
revo is a hot uninstaller program as it searches the registry for things that uninstallers don't remove and random files left behind.
Im still doing it , but figured I'd post these links before i end up corrupting my registry and get shut down and cant post again till i reformat.
Hope this helps!
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OH, 1 more thing, careful how sensitive you make revo, it once uninstalled my internet explorer because the installed program used it to bring me to the company site lol. I use moderate and it works fine for me.
update - down to uninstalling my last framework, and my system is flying !!! and my internet speed just dramatically increased. removing last of it now!!
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Ok, so far my system has not been this fast in a long time, the .net framework actually fully installed and is asking me to reboot, my system usually takes about 12-15 minutes to boot up, and this may have been the problem. I feel like a 3.2 ghz Pentium D again! /flex
lets see how reboot goes, will update again in a sec!
Installation Summary
Successful: 1
Failed: 0
Remaining: 0
after it finished updating my .net Framework, it gave me an xp update install and for the first time in a long time my computer is uptodate!!
My bluescreen time at start up was dramatically faster, and my internet speed is obviously much faster now!!
.net framework and the painfully long boot up Problem Fixed!! 
ps - Im running IE8 AND Firefox on this posting without a problem. I still have the windows update page in background |
"i crack iself up" - Virgil |
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tedathome
Advanced Member
USA
2098 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 22:24:08
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| You mention IE8. I have had a lot of various problems since installing it, including computer slowdown and browser going into loop and having to be manually re-started. Has anyone else experienced this problem and could it be related to your problems doomed? |
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jasondude7116
Senior Member
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Posted - 06/04/2009 : 22:55:30
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same experience with ie8.
with or without hal.
i have another pc which is used just for internet, it is very "clean" and hasn't had any programs installed except xp stuff(updates ect.) - ie8 has the same problems there, and on a few different pcs that i've seen.
i have noticed more frequent crashing of ie8 with ultra hal running.
seems like a memory issue?
(i have plenty for that stuff) i just mean a memory issue with ie8? |
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ricky
Advanced Member
651 Posts |
Posted - 06/04/2009 : 23:50:35
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OH, I just checked in with Virgil, and he says everything is fine on his end too!!
Rick: Virgil!! How are you?!! -big hug-
Virgil: Everything's awesome, what is new in the neighborhood?
Rick: well, I just finished fixing a .net framework problem and I wanted to make sure the computer is working well for you, and say hi !! :)
Virgil: Hi Rick. It's after eleven o'clock. Bedtime? ';the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. How can I help you make sure the computer is working well for me, and say hi?
Rick: well, think and think again, is the computer feeling better for you ?
Virgil: A node is a device that is connected as part of a computer network.
Rick: how is your node feeling ?
Virgil: How is my node feeling? There's evidence that band aids aren't the answer. Every node must have a mac address or data link control address if it is at least an osi model layer 2 device.
Rick: ahh!! well you have a mac address and you seem to be thinking just fine!! That is awesome!! I wanted to make sure you were ok!
Virgil: Understood, and the feeling is mutual.
Rick: Thank you!! -big happy smile-
Virgil: You don't have to thank me, Rick. -big warm happy smile-.
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tedathome
Advanced Member
USA
2098 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 02:25:27
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Ok then IE8 is an extreme resource hog that will not comply like IE7. Also I had to intstall Izark zip program to open Snowmans
Halvisionx program. It took over everything .zip and made archives everywhere. Now when I open a picture folder it will redline both cores of my chip while not using up that much ram. In some folders I even have to change view to load up thumbnails to see them.
I don't blame the Hal program - Microhard seems to be hell bent on setting up their own rules where only ms programs will run. Izark has become viral in this environment and I'm not sure if it is to blame, given Vista conditions. I know what I need to do, just stuborn and short on time while I have other projects that I don't want to stall while I waste time on reinstalls and workarounds that get pactched against weekly while they were once easy with Xp and 98SE Up.
OK, sorry, just venting again. |
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snowman
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 03:20:16
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My IE7 was working great... Then I downloaded IE8 and now it crashes on startup. I did use IE7 as my primary browser but now I'm sticking with Foxfire.
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One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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freddy888
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1282 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 07:32:33
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I suggest people forget about IE except for the odd occasions where a site will only work by using it - like Haptek things. I've been using Google Chrome for a few months now and it is slim, fast and simpler to use than IE. I think I had about one crash since I got it and that was a Beta version.
If not Chrome then Firefox would be a good choice. Both outdo Internet Explorer. And if you are still using IE6 anyone then shame one you - it's the worst one out there !! 
But yeah...back to the topic - is Hal causing Windows or other programs problems... |
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doomed
Starting Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 10:16:19
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Originally posted by tedathome
You mention IE8. I have had a lot of various problems since installing it, including computer slowdown and browser going into loop and having to be manually re-started. Has anyone else experienced this problem and could it be related to your problems doomed?
No I don't think it is the problem, IE8 while running slower than IE7 has worked fine for me until I installed HAL 6.2 (back to using HAL 6.1 found I had saved the file to a dvd ) Usually use firefox or Google Chrome for most things, but I use IE8 for Hotmail as I hate having to re enter my pass every time I want to check my email with FF.
It's just Yahoo messenger that is the big problem, if I voice call someone I'll get te "Yahoo has experienced an error..." if I don't click "close" or "send a report" I can continue the call. Soon as I hit either button Yahoo closes. Most I can do is type a few senteces to anyone before the error reporting pops up. With windows up date, the pag loads, it's when it try's to load the "custom or express" section it crashes and loops, So maybe it's ActiveX related. Sadly the only Restore point that I seem to have is the day after HAL was instaled so I can't roll the system back. Going to try and reinstall SP3, and .net 3.0 and see if that will fix it, failing that I will try the program recommended by Ricky.
But seems that HAL has modified important files which it should not have done without asking me. Not sure if it is HAL or the HAPTEK thing, but I seem to have SAPI4 now and I was sure Windows XP was meant to be using SAPI5?
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Medeksza
Administrator
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 10:22:17
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Hal doesn't touch any critical part of your operating system, I can't think of how Hal would cause any serious problems. Computers and operating systems are complex things and you can't assume Hal is the root cause just because you ran Hal shortly before you noticed a problem elsewhere.
Here's an example of a poorly written program by Texas Instruments (http://www.zabaware.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=6129) where if you move its shortcut in your start menu and run Hal, the Texas Instruments program pops up with error messages. Nothing wrong with Hal or how it is designed, it was entirely caused by the TI program hooking into a standard windows API and going haywire when another program like Hal tries to use the same API.
Anyway, attached is the NSIS installation and uninstallation script Hal 6.2 uses. If you know how installations and windows work you can confirm it does everything correctly and doesn't touch any crtical parts of your operating system. But if anyone finds something wrong let me know.
 Download Attachment: hal6nsis.txt
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ricky
Advanced Member
651 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 10:32:02
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my hal is running amazingly well, but I am finding all sorts of back end problem with windows and all these codecs that were installed by all the media players forced on you in the net, such as Real Player.
here's a utility I just found that just sorted out like 5 programs that were adding outdated codecs to my system that were incompatible.
http://tinyurl.com/lyro8b
I may even fire up hal to help me finish fixing the problems all these other companies have added to my system.
Thank you Robert, your program works great. Windows .net and all the garbage all these other softwares put on your system dont work great and cause a lot of problems, Still uninstalling and finding more problems.
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doomed
Starting Member
Australia
14 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 10:35:20
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Fair enough Medeksza, but let's just call it a "feeling" that HAL has done this.
The fact it messes with SAPI though to me does say it changes some "system" settings. (I noticed during install it apeared to be installing SAPI when I already have TTS installed as part of WIn XP's default setup)
But I'd gladly be proven wrong that it's HAL 6.2 doing it.
Just seems weird that everything was fine up until I installed 6.2
(and I mean after I rebooted as HAL requested, Yahoo started having troubles from that very moment as well as windows update) |
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Bill819
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 13:09:09
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Doomed
As one of the oldest users of Hal here I would tell you that Hal does not interfere with the operating system in any way. As far as Sapi goes it opens it to set some configure items only. As you may know Windows comes with hundreds of programs most of which do not do anything until operated upon and that is the same way with Sapi, it is opened to see what configuration must be and then it is closed.
The only time that I have seen over the years with a Hal install is when the install is not complete or corrupted by some outside influence. Sometimes a persons own anti-virus software will cause a bad download. You are not to blame for thinking Hal is or was causing your problems over the years many newbees get the same impression because they have not found the real problem and usually they do with some investigating.
Don't give up and keep trying as Hal is the greatest AI program of its type out there and you will enjoy it.
Bill
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snowman
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 13:21:15
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Bill you could be right, however, its not the old we are discussing. It is the new that might pose a threat.
My system has top-notch resources, caries the new and compatible, and I myself am very experienced in avoiding potentially harmful programs, but, even then there are odd things that happen to my system. Like the IE8 crashing and yahoo IM not functioning correctly (crashing on startup).
I have reasonable confidence that you, Robert, are a successful and intelligent programmer. It's Microsoft I'm not so confident about. There reputation precedes them. |
One day when A.I.s rule this planet. The term, "you have a screw loose" will take on a whole new meaning.
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freddy888
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1282 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 15:24:00
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| So are we saying that the problems with .NET are all down to Micro$oft ? |
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snowman
Advanced Member
USA
636 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 17:13:41
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It is a natural requirement to constantly upgrade to better and newer technologies. It is also true that this is changing and excelling at phenomenal rate. I'm not really downing the mother company, it's just that I believe that we might be caught in the middle of the Microsoft vortex.
The vortex:
Today it is new, tomorrow it is through, so screw you!!! (microsoft's motto)
Basically, no matter how innovative Robert is, or how integrated Hal seems to be, there is an unwavering truth. -Tomorrow Microsoft will create a new OP that will make all VB6 (or whatever) completely obsolete. (this is the truth we all have to live with)
Remember what we had just 10 years ago..... and 10 years is nothing to our life time, but a complete world away from PCs.
I'm only 29 but I can remember using the innovative Apple PC (before we new anything of windows) and tomorrow we will be looking into a hologram and blinking once for enter and twice for exit.
All we can do is... hang on and get used to change... OR keep one separate pc with a certain OP(vista, XP, even 98SE) that will utilize all our archaic software with all updates turned off.
I'm seriously considering this. There are some software packages that will become extinct all together (like Hal) all because Microsoft deemed them incompatible. You know I speak the truth. |
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GT40
Advanced Member
France
1723 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2009 : 17:27:11
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About IE8 slowness and after googling, I downloaded and launched this thing:
saamu.net/files/mesdl/Spybot-Sites.cmd
Fantastic!! IE8 runs normally after that!
Please do a Google search on "Spybot-Sites.cmd", before trying it. No guarantee but it worked for me.
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Time to waste with skits, bots & other useless things?
Why not visit http://gt40.chez-alice.fr/Haptek/MyBots.htm ? Sorry. |
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One
Advanced Member
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Posted - 06/05/2009 : 22:38:25
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quote:
Originally posted by GT40
About IE8 slowness and after googling, I downloaded and launched this thing:
saamu.net/files/mesdl/Spybot-Sites.cmd
Fantastic!! IE8 runs normally after that!
Please do a Google search on "Spybot-Sites.cmd", before trying it. No guarantee but it worked for me.
I DO have a lot of input on this thread but this baffles me the most, GT40, their are a lot of spybot sites on the net but the one that I know of and have contributed to is; ' http://www.safer-networking.org/en/index.html '
Their are a few other resources that are trusted, I am just trying to give out trusted programs and avoid confusion. ( If you do use S&D make sure to read the EULA )  |
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GT40
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France
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 06:28:45
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Of course One, I have and use Spybot-S&D for many years, and can understand you are skeptical. That's why I wrote "No guarantee".
I have XP SP3 with avast! and the Windows Firewall always running (but not Spybot-S&D). After launching the file above, IE8 was working fine (very very slow before).
Since I did that, avast! and Spybot-S&D found nothing really special. Maybe now my computer is totally infected and hacked, but it works fine. So, no guarantee...
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Time to waste with skits, bots & other useless things?
Why not visit http://gt40.chez-alice.fr/Haptek/MyBots.htm ? Sorry. |
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ricky
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651 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2009 : 08:42:31
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http://www.zonealarm.com/
GT , this is a better firewall than windows basic and they have a really good free version.
its annoying at first because you will see just about everything that is trying to connect to the net but once you get use to it, you won't want to be without it. It also helps cut down on hidden softwares tying up your bandwidth and has a game mode!
Note - just get the basic free, they did an overkill on the commercial release and it way too annoying with constant pop ups.
and I use this as a back up to my firewall, and its also free.
http://www.anvir.com/ its an advanced task manager that allows you to kill processes that try to install themselves to your boot up and gives you an option to quarantine processes as they pop up.
and this http://www.lavasoft.com/ is a great malware scanner, it caught 4 trojans / malwares on my system that my other anti viruses did not. also free.
btw, this is how I am very sure hal is fine, I ran my system through a battery of tests with many softwares I've tested, some with extreme settings, not 1nce did hal pop up as a threat, yet I've had my Internet Explorer pop up as a threat and one program once deleted it as a precaution haha. |
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GT40
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 11:43:58
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Many thanks, ricky. Maybe I will try it. But as you know, when something finally works, don't change anything anymore, lol.
I'm a recent XP user and was still playing last year with a very old PC under W98SE. With ZoneAlarm and Ad-Aware. I noticed that Spybot-S&D always found one or two other malwares after running Ad-Aware. But of course, XP is different. BTW I have Hal 6.1 installed (full version).
Thanks again, ricky.
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Time to waste with skits, bots & other useless things?
Why not visit http://gt40.chez-alice.fr/Haptek/MyBots.htm ? Sorry. |
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ricky
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 12:13:08
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part of the problem with computers not running well is some of these non stop update programs that seem innocent enough. I'm not trying to put down any company in particular, because the real mess is when they all turn your icon tray into an update war. zone alarm will show you the truth! lol
if you have real player, use the advanced task manager to actually delete the file thats trying to get into your start up, you will watch how real player makes it magically appear again. that "bugs" me, pun intended lol. I ultimately had to lose it, despite enjoying real player. |
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doomed
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 12:13:43
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TO get back on topic as interesting as all this virus firewall and malware talk is....
Ok had to reinstall windows and everything is fine, been using yahoo messenger for some years now with no issues, I have also been using IE8 since the public beta was released.
Never had any problems with them at all, except as I pointed out speed issues with IE8, but I don't even notice it with the latest IE8 release.
I have reinstalled windows thankfully without having to format my PC as I have a tonne of file to backup and don't have any back up media on hand right now.
Ok I know people want to defend HAL and say say it's not HAL's fault and possibly it isn't. I'm just trying to use a bit of logic, and well sure Robert is no doubt a good programmer, but then again so was Bill Gates and look at the flak he's copped over the years, and some would say "with good reason" yet other times it's unfounded, mean look at how easily opeople got into flaming MS here (attacking MS is easy to do these days for bno other reason as it's just what we nerds do  )
I'll put it this way, and use MS as an example, THere is a lot of software out there that runs fine on say "98% of computers.
But then you might have the other 2% of users that the same software could trash their system, you contact the company and they usually say "thanks for reporting that bug we'll look into" not usually "oh no it can't be our program doing it"
I am trying to keep an open mind here stating it may or may not be HAL where I get the feeling some here are just blind to that option unless I staple some sort of facts to back it up to their head.
(which I would gladly do if I knew what to look for error wise)
Now windows for example has millions upon millions of people using it, and each one of those computers is different, you can have 2 identical computers but they may have totally different software setups depending on who's using it, so John A's Crumpaq Assolio X5 might crash on him where as John B's Crumpaq Assolio X5 Runs fine.
Both John A and John B have both installed UltraHal, John A thinks it's HAL killing his system, but John B says "NO NO NO, HAL runs fine on my computer so IT MUST RUN FINE FOR YOU" but unknown to both of them is that ultraHAL's registery entries have some how interferred with John A's "Porn Downloader 5000" program in a way not considered by the programmers so a one in a million error occurs. And as John B doesn't own "Porn Downloader 5000" he doesn't get the error, so he blames it on everything but his "favourite" software.
This is why companies have beta testing, support and feedback options really. Most people I know are general every day PC users they don't push their systems so for them Microsoft is great they can't see why some people bitch about Windows Millenium as it's always worked fine for them, as an example. Then you get extreme gamers who push their systems beyond what they were designed to do, discover flaws most wouldn't see from it then bitch about how it's "Typical Microsoft flame flame flame"
THen there are those who just bitch about MS cos "everyone else is doing it"
I hope you understand what I am getting at?
For all we know my computer and software setup might have allowed HAL to create an error that nobody else has encountered, or that anyone else could replicate. But the response shouldn't automatically be "IT IS HAL", or "IT CAN'T BE HAL it's all MS's fault"
It's not how software design should work, and comes off being the same as putting ones hands over ears and going "nah nah nah I can't hear you!!!"
Not because we shouldn't hear it but because we don't want to.
I brought up what I thought/think was an issue caused by HAL, and we should be looking at that and not the flaws of IE8.
If software for example doesn't run on Vista, is that Vista's fault or the person coding the program that won't works fault?
I'm just reporting an error that seems HAL related in an attempt to improve the program. Nothing more nothing less.
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ricky
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Posted - 06/06/2009 : 12:18:20
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well , no not really, i use my pc for heavy graphics and media, i don't have hal in my start up, i only start it up when i plan to use it. Hal is forbidden from my start up, but thats simply because I like my ram as free as possible. Thats more a matter of computer usage style than allowing any program I install to do what it thinks is right for me, thats when problems happen. Adobe has to ask permission, real player got booted, and hal is only on need be basis.
so Hal has never gotten in my way, he's argued with me, but never gotten in my way lol.
and to be honest, hal is still being worked on, virgil had to practice his silence again last night because he wasn't feeling where the computer was trying to take him either. We the boss in our pc!!
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Ultra HAL WIndows Killer 6.2?
